Tomb Raider

[Raphaelo]

Ach, cool aussehen tut es schon. Aber ich glaube, ich bevorzuge ne Knarre zu jeder Zeit

[reQu1Em]

Da ich dieses Jahr angefangen habe Bogen zu schiessen... ich finds cool

[radiant]

Im ZombiU gibt es eine Armbrust - Wilhelm Tell-Style

 

[ushan]

Im ZombiU gibt es eine Armbrust - Wilhelm Tell-Style

 

 

Mandatory Radi ZombiU Post

 

 

Ich finde Bögen in Games auch sehr angenehm. Viel angenehmer als die ständig gleichen Bleischleudern

[radiant]

Mandatory Radi ZombiU Post

 

 

Ich finde Bögen in Games auch sehr angenehm. Viel angenehmer als die ständig gleichen Bleischleudern

 

Deswegen war ja auch Borderlands 2 eine kleine Offenbarung

 

Aber sorry, zwei OT-Posts von mir ...

 

Werde mir Tomb Raider aller Voraussicht nach nicht kaufen

[ushan]

Deswegen war ja auch Borderlands 2 eine kleine Offenbarung

 

Aber sorry, zwei OT-Posts von mir ...

 

Werde mir Tomb Raider aller Voraussicht nach nicht kaufen

 

Hole ich mir auch nicht - diese Action Lara ist doch zum genau gleichen Scriptfigürchen mutiert, dass wir schon aus so ziemlich jedem anderen Action Game der letzten Jahre kennen. Close Combat Knife Kills, Short Range Bow Kills etc. etc. finde ich bei Lara Croft völlig behindert. Sie ist kein Rambo sondern eine Erforscherin, eine Archäologin. Bin wirklich entsetzt in welche Richtung die verzweifelten Entwickler gehen nur um das Game so gut wie möglich am zentralen Markt zu positionieren

 

Man stopft das Game mit allem voll was Lara nicht braucht:

 

Open World? Check!

Brutale Finisher? Check!

Scripts? Check!

 

Anstatt sich auf eine gute Story zu konzentratieren, einen Haufen anderen Bullshit reinzwängen...

 

@Borderlands 2

 

:fap:

bearbeitet 4. Dezember 2012 von ushan

[KNET]

Ich finds gut dass Laras Titten immer noch schön polygonig eckig sind. Sie haben zwar 2 Ecken hinzugefügt, aber das musste wohl sein.

[Arthas]

Solange es sowas ähnliches wie Uncharted wird, kauf ich es.

[Edelbrecht]

Es wird gut wenn sies nicht kaputt scripten. Und brutale Finisher braucht absolut JEDES Game, ushan. Ganz besonders die bis zur Ankündigung dieses neusten Teils todlangweilige TR-Serie.

[ushan]

Und brutale Finisher braucht absolut JEDES Game, ushan.

 

 

Ich mag es dir schon gönnen, dass es gut wird, aber brutale Finisher sind in meinen Augen häufig eher Ausdruck mangelnder Kreativität und sind zu häufig als billige Effekthascherei zu verstehen, weil ein Gamedesign sonst nicht viel hergibt. Natürlich gibt es Spiele, in denen sie reinpassen - GeoW, Turok, MK etc. Da gehören sie ins Konzept und das ist gut. Aber nicht jedes Game braucht brutale Finisher. Denk mal an ein Super Mario, oder an Lego Game, oder an Eternal Sonata oder ähnliche. Games sind nicht ausschliesslich dazu da, um die Gore-Sucht gewisser Leute zu befriedigen.

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[Raphaelo]

Wie sonst sollte man dem Spieler denn vermitteln, dass es hier um einen ernsten, düsteren und erwachsenen Reboot geht?

 

[radiant]

Und dass es auch ohne Gore geht, beweisen Nintendo und Miyamoto ja schon seit Jahrzehnten. Der Gore-Faktor kann, wie Ushan richtig an, in einigen Spielen zu einer besseren, fesselnderen Atmosphäre vieles beisteuern. Ein Gears of War ohne die Finisher wäre irgendwie nicht so ganz komplett - gehört da einfach zur Gangart und verleiht dem Geschehen und vor allem auch den Charakteren eine zusätzliche Glaubhaftigkeit....

[Limality]

ach waren das noch zeiten!

 

[video=youtube;r8xze-Ngd0Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8xze-Ngd0Q

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[ushan]

Preview Impressionen. Das wichtigste habe ich mal fett markiert:

 

- [spoiler=Story Spoiler 1]The parts that I played started with the initial crash, as well as Lara's abduction and eventual escape from the terrifying cavern. To see that in action, check out this video from E3 2011. After that, I played through the next few sections of the Island, hunting for food and taking shelter before re-connecting with several of Lara's crew members, helping her mentor Roth get medical aid, and fighting my way through an enemy base to the top of a radio tower to send a distress call.

 

 

- [spoiler=Story Spoiler 2]The story of the first two chapters provided a solid arc—it wasn't all terror and distress in the dark. Hughes came back to this again and again: It was important, he thought, that people get a sense of how this story has a real arc. So while it may begin grim and horrifying, even by the end of the second act, Lara had grown a ton, and risen to every challenge put in front of her. It didn't feel contrived, it felt believable, and it made me like her as a character. If the rest of the game can keep up that momentum and arc, this story could really be something.

 

 

- [spoiler=Story Spoiler 3]The game uses Lara's video camera to do flashbacks to fill in backstory. In one I saw, her friend Sam is interviewing her in their dorm room, explaining Lara's genius for books and history. Another showed the expedition's celebrity figurehead Whitmanon the deck of their ship, grumbling over the reality-show style stuff he was resorting to in lieu of any real discovery.

In the story, Lara a theory about tracking down Yamata—she has a theory that no one else in her party will believe. Especially not Whitman, the ponce. Lara wants everyone in the group to go to the Dragon's Triangle, and convinces the salty leader Roth to take them there. He clearly likes Lara and so he backs her play. So in a sense, this is all her fault.

 

 

On to game stuff.

 

- There's an experience point system, and Lara earns them for doing just about everything. XP can be used to buy skills.

Skills are broken into three categories, each of which can be mastered as you purchase skills with XP. "Survivor" is about climbing, exploring and, well, surviving—these skills give Lara higher damage tolerance, the ability to get more gear upon looting, faster climbing, and the like. "Hunter" skills are about using weapons, actually, and not hunting animals—they grant abilities like quickly shooting pistols point-blank and using an arrow to stab an enemy up-close, Legolas style. "Brawler" skills center around fighting, letting you throw dirt in your enemies' eyes and dodge attacks.

 

You spend XP in base camps—you can't just upgrade anytime you'd like. In camp, Lara cooks and eats food, recharges, and spends her skill points. The camps are really like waypoints, as well—they're scattered pretty liberally throughout the map, and you can fast-travel to any you've been to if you want to go back and get collectibles.

 

There are, of course, also collectibles in the game—these take the form of collectible relics, like past Tomb Raider games. There look to be 20 to 30 of these, and they're scattered about the world. There are also documents to collect. It seems like some documents are found, but others turn up through the story, like the pages from Lara's journal. In the documents page, the writer of each document will it aloud. Lara reads her own journal entries out loud each time you arrive at camp, which is a neat bit of streamlining.

 

All of Lara's gear can be upgraded using salvage gathered from around the island and looted off of dead enemies. The bow won't be a boring bow for long—you can add fire, napalm and explosive arrows to it, among other upgrades.

The game features a bow and arrow that feels good—hold left trigger to aim, raise tension with the right trigger. Hold it too long, and your aim will waver until Lara has to release the shot. (There's a skill to increase the amount of time she can hold.)

 

Like Assassin's Creed and Far Cry 3, Tomb Raider features a hunting system, where you must stalk and take down prey in the woods. It was unclear to me how much you'll get out of killing multiple animals, though.

The comes close to showing Lara skinning a deer, but then cuts away. So, yet another game that doesn't really want to show what skinning an animal really looks like.

 

Tomb Raider has a cinematic camera much like Uncharted—as Lara runs through the woods, the camera bobs and weaves, tracking her movement like a cameraman would. It gives the game a rolling, physical feel.

The game has a smart workaround to the problem of an invasive HUD—you press LB to see your objective marker, but once it fades, it's faded for good. Other than that, there's nothing on screen but Lara and the world around her. It's not exactly Arkham City's detective mode, but it's a good way to remind yourself of waypoints and get a hint in puzzles if you're stuck. Are you seeing this, Far Cry 3

 

The game has something of a "Hub" design, where parts of the map are semi-open and have collectibles and side-objectives strewn throughout. I went through two hubs all told; Hughes told me that players will be able to return to hubs and will find them somewhat changed, either the time of day and weather will be different, or Lara will look different or have great that allows her to access places she couldn't before. In that way, there's a bit of Metroidvania to Tomb Raider.

 

One new piece of gear for Tomb Raider is Lara's climbing axe—by the middle of the second act, she's got a climbing axe that she can use to pick her way up certain rock faces. It's cool, and adds a lateral feel to some of the puzzles and environments. And of course, you can also use it to wail on dudes.

 

It sounds like in addition to her climbing axe, Lara will get her rope from past games. "We always try to give you new gear," said Hughes, "and wherever possible, allow it to affect combat and environment traversal. The rope has traversal and combat uses. We try to give the player a variety of progression, some of them are keys to the areas."

 

Bad dudes are on the island as well, and they speak with appropriately foreign bad dude accents. German, from the sound of it. After finding another of her party members, Lara gets captured, along with some of her crew, and her hands are tied behind her back. The evil Germans appear to be rounding up shipwreck survivors as part of their usual routine. BUT, Lara managed to slip away, and at this point, it was time to sneak past them. Get spotted, and you'll get an arrow to the neck.

 

Back to gameplay. You'll be sneaking a lot in Tomb Raider, and stealth is contextual—Lara crouches behind "waist-high walls" when she gets close enough. The stealth system doesn't feel nearly as robust as in any of the stealth games that were released this fall, but it gets the job done. I had a hard time taking out more than a few guys without getting spotted, except in one sequence where they were clearly arranged so I could take them all down in order. It feels more or less like the stealth sequences in Uncharted 2 and 3, for better or for worse.

 

Once it's time to start fighting, things quickly begin to feel even more Unchartedey. Combat is tricky—it feels entirely different from past Tomb Raider games, with an emphasis on cover and taking down enemies at long range. You won't be doing any backflips while shooting. Aiming is a bit floaty, and the game doesn't quite feel designed to be played as a shooter. That said, I hadn't really upgraded at all, so that could have something to do with it. But if I had to call it, I'd say Tomb Raider will succeed more on its story, puzzles and exploration than it will on its gunplay.

 

The weather effects are quite lovely—the camera makes itself known again as wind-blown raindrops cover it in water. Later, the setting sun glares above white-topped mountains. Crystal Dynamics has learned a thing or two about framing from Naughty Dog, and are working the Xbox 360 for all its worth.

Lara gets on the horn to Roth after killing five dudes. "It's scary how easy it was," she says. When she despairs, he reminds her that she'll be okay, because she's a Croft. "I don't think I'm that kind of Croft." I sort of think she is, but we'll see.

 

The game has actual tombs that you raid. Whoda thunk it? These are side-mission puzzle rooms that open up on the map as you go. I did the game's first one, which involved a fairly simple weight/counterweight pulley puzzle. It's nice to see that the game will feature this kind of thing, given that Crystal Dynamics has proven so adept at puzzle design in the past.

At the end of each side-tomb, you'll find a big chest that Lara will open. "Tomb Raided," says the pop-up. I asked Hughes if there had been any internal debate with this tongue-in-cheek joke. "We are still having discussions," he said. "Most of the game takes itself so seriously, and there's a certain charm to it, but it is off-tone."

The side-tombs will allow for lots of good puzzles, but Hughes said they probably won't match the scale of the sweeping puzzles in Underworld. (Bummer!) "We try to challenge the player appropriately, but the scale is often not as grand. It's not so much that that was unliked, it's that we did, from a pacing perspective, we tried to let you spend an hour on something if you want, but we tried not to make you spend too much time on any one thing. If the player wants to progress, there is something new ever 20 minutes or so."

 

Everything I saw was grounded in reality—human opponents, an real-feeling island to navigate. But past Tomb Raider games have always featured an Indiana Jones-like dash of the supernatural. (To a ruinous extreme in later games in the series.) Will this game have supernatural junk? Hughes was cagey, but hinted that it would. "We try to emphasize the concept of believability over realism. So to answer the question directly, we explore deeper into the mysteries of the island as you'd expect. And as you'd sort of also expect, with the tone being set, that we'd also do it in a believable and grounded way. But that's different than realism, right? There's an aspect of a Tomb Raider story that sort of is that impossible adventure, and we try to deliver that."

 

 

Ziemlich viele Infos. Ich hoffe Edelbrecht ist zufrieden

 

Mich schrecken viele Gameplayelemente eher ab, wenn sie denn tatsächlich stimmen sollten...

 

Quelle: Kotaku

[Peter Stegman]

Hier ein Preview vom Gameswelt (mit einem Video):

 

http://www.gameswelt.ch/tomb-raider-2013/preview/seite-1,172782

 

 

Fazit vom Tester:

Es war das erste Mal für mich, das neue Tomb Raider mal selbst unter die Lupe zu nehmen. Insgesamt bin ich guter Dinge, dass mich Laras Jugendabenteuer im März vor den Bildschirm fesseln werden. Spielerisch macht der Titel zwar nicht so viel anders als seine Vorgänger und das Ausmaß an Action-Sequenzen ist für mich zumindest im angespielten Abschnitt schon an der oberen Schmerzgrenze für dieses Genre. Aber die stärkere Handlung, die kinoreife Inszenierung, das freie Erkunden sowie die Rollenspielelemente konnten mich schon mal ordentlich am Kragen packen und ins Spiel hineinziehen. Die verschiedenen Handlungsstränge, die sich abzeichnen – Banditen, die legendäre Königin und die Ungereimtheiten bei der Crew –, machen mich neugierig auf deren Auflösung. Ich habe allerdings noch ein bisschen Zweifel, dass Crystal Dynamics den Wandlungsprozess von der jungen Archäologin zur beinharten Abenteuer-Amazone emotional und erzählerisch konsequent und glaubwürdig weiterführen kann. Ich hatte schon ein wenig Bauchgrimmen dabei, wie schnell der Schmerz des ersten Tötens der Routine des Überlebenskampfes gewichen ist. Ich hoffe, dass die an sich guten emotionalen Elemente letztendlich nicht nur zum Alibi werden. Insgesamt aber wirkt das neue Tomb Raider gut erzählt und wie eine gelungene Mischung typischer Action-Adventure-Elemente, die bei mir auf jeden Fall Lust auf mehr macht.

[Edelbrecht]

:fap:

[Bull3t]

[Bull3t]

Tomb Raider has gone gold

[Bull3t]

Gameplay:

 

 

 

Video wird nicht geschaut. Vorbestellt es ist.

[DomeOpc]

Day One

[Bull3t]

VPN-Titten 2 Tage vor Release

 

:fappyduck:

[DomeOpc]

:fappyduck:

 

Yeah einer der mich versteht

[Viktor Vaughn]

also von diesen 11 minuten waren ca. 9 minuten gescripted.

[Moek]

also von diesen 11 minuten waren ca. 9 minuten gescripted.

 

War doch klar dass es so komt.

 

Sieht für mich nach Scripts am laufenden Band aus und dieses ''Verwundbare Getue'' halte ich in diesem Trailer schon für ein bisschen ''Too much''.

Ich glaube das, ich nenne es mal ''Dramatic Overkill'' (), würde mir mit der Zeit total auf die Nerven gehen.

Aber mal abwarten, richtiges Gameplay wäre mal schön zu sehen....

Daran halt ich fest.

bearbeitet 12. Februar 2013 von Moek

[ushan]

Wie sie bei 1:22 den Pfeil per Hand in den Baumpflock rammt als wäre das Holz aus Schaumgummi oder so morsch, dass sie sofort abstürzen sollte, wenn sie hinübergleitet.

 

Ich warte mal ab, bin gespannt wie es bewertet wird, wenn es draussen ist, aber im Moment sieht es wirkllich nach Dramatic Overkill aus (nice one, Berserk) und Script, nach Script, nach Script...