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[Heady]

Bayrische Tracht gefällt mir einfach super, du kannst gerne deine Monclerjacke anhaben

Ja genau ich und Moncler Zeugs

[FlYiNgIcEmAn]

Özil wechselt für 60 Mio CHF zu Arsenal für fünf Jahre.

 

Und bein YB gibt es wohl noch einen Abgang:

Der 26-Jährige Montenegriner Elsad Zverotic weilt zur Zeit in London beim FC Fulham und absolviert bereits die medizinischen Tests.

 

Edit meint es ist offiziel:

23.14 BST - Fulham have confirmed the signing of Montenegro midfielder Elsad Zverotic from Swiss side Young Boys on a two-year contract.

bearbeitet 2. September 2013 von FlYiNgIcEmAn

[Deadman]

Penalty versemmelt. Ausgeliehen. Chelsea hat wieder einen Stürmer weniger...

 

Lukaku loaned out

[Little_JoeY]

Özil wechselt für 60 Mio CHF zu Arsenal für fünf Jahre.

 

Und bein YB gibt es wohl noch einen Abgang:

Der 26-Jährige Montenegriner Elsad Zverotic weilt zur Zeit in London beim FC Fulham und absolviert bereits die medizinischen Tests.

 

Edit meint es ist offiziel:

23.14 BST - Fulham have confirmed the signing of Montenegro midfielder Elsad Zverotic from Swiss side Young Boys on a two-year contract.

 

Für 60 Mio CHF naja...

 

 

Zu Zverotic: Mochte den noch nie, deshalb bin ich jetzt auch nicht traurig das er weg ist. Schade haben sie Veskovac nicht auch noch abgegeben...

Aber ist schon komisch, erst vor kurzem haben sie den Vertrag mit Zverotic bis 2016 verlängert und jetzt geht er trotzdem

[Heady]

Für 60 Mio CHF naja...

Einfach unglaublich, was für Summen da hingelegt werden. Für Arsenal finde ich das allerdings schon güet, der Özil kann da in der Offensive sicherlich was reissen.

[paga]

Özil ist gerade mal 24 und spielt jetzt schon überragend, einfach nur Dumm von Real ihn gehen zu lassen. Ich hoffe Bale floppt so richtig

[Schnegge]

Penalty versemmelt. Ausgeliehen. Chelsea hat wieder einen Stürmer weniger...

 

Lukaku loaned out

 

[Cypress]

 

Zu Schade haben sie Veskovac nicht auch noch abgegeben...

 

 

 

 

De wot doch niemert.....

[Heady]

Lukas Podolski (28) vom FC Arsenal fällt für den Rest des Jahres aus! Der Deutsche Nationalspieler hat sich eine komplizierte Oberschenkelverletzung zugezogen.

 

Zum Glück kommt Özil:genius:

[Little_JoeY]

Lukas Podolski (28) vom FC Arsenal fällt für den Rest des Jahres aus! Der Deutsche Nationalspieler hat sich eine komplizierte Oberschenkelverletzung zugezogen.

 

Zum Glück kommt Özil:genius:

 

na super -.-

[Muchacho]

Wobei 60 mio fuer einen spieler der ziemlich launisch ist, naja ich weiss nicht so recht

 

Hoffentlich motiviert ihn Wenger so richtig...

bearbeitet 3. September 2013 von Muchacho

[Loijz]

Wieso ist Özil launisch?

 

Schade fäüllt jetzt Poldi aus. Özil - Podolski hätte bestimmt was reissen können.

[Doendoe]

Wieso ist Özil launisch?

 

Schade fäüllt jetzt Poldi aus. Özil - Podolski hätte bestimmt was reissen können.

 

Als er am vorletzten Spieltag ausgewechselt wurde, benahm er sich wie ein kleines Kind und ging nach dem Duschen direkt zum Team-Bus anstatt auf die Bank. Mehr als seine Launen ist aber seine fehlende Konstanz sein Hauptproblem. Und dass Real mehr als genug Leute hinter der Spitze hat.

[Arthas]

Özil Super-Deal für Arsenal, wirklich Hammer. Aber warum sie nicht noch Demba Ba oder ein anderer Stürmer geholt haben, weiss ich nicht. Nun fällt Poldi bis Ende Jahr aus... würde sich Giroud verletzen, wird da niemand mehr vorne drin stehen... ah doch, Bendtner.

[Little_JoeY]

Özil Super-Deal für Arsenal, wirklich Hammer. Aber warum sie nicht noch Demba Ba oder ein anderer Stürmer geholt haben, weiss ich nicht. Nun fällt Poldi bis Ende Jahr aus... würde sich Giroud verletzen, wird da niemand mehr vorne drin stehen... ah doch, Bendtner.

 

mmh sonst hätte man ja auch noch Park:ugly: Walcott könnte man ja auch noch ganz vorne einsetzen:kitteh: Ja an Demba Ba waren sie ja auch interessiert, aber schlussendlich kam dieser Transfer nicht zustande :-/

bearbeitet 3. September 2013 von Little_JoeY

[Falcon]

Poldi fällt bis 2014 aus?

[Baer]

[Schnegge]

+++ JETZT DIE OFFIZIELLEN TOP50 WERTE BEI FIFA 14 +++

 

50. Thomas Müller 85

49. Sergio Busquets 85

48. Pedro 85...

47. Marco Reus 85

46. Eden Hazard 85

45. Arturo Vidal 85

44. Mats Hummels 85

43. Luka Modrić 85

42. Karim Benzema 85

41. Ezequiel Lavezzi 85

40. Santi Cazorla 85

39. Jesús Navas 85

38. Petr Čech 85

37. Xabi Alonso 85

36. Ashley Cole 85

35. Robert Lewandowski 86

34. Ángel Di María 86

33. Luis Suárez 86

32. Manuel Neuer 86

31. Cesc Fàbregas 86

30. Sergio Ramos 86

29. Gerard Piqué 86

28. Mario Gomez 86

27. Carlos Tévez 86

26. Vincent Kompany 86

25. Giorgio Chiellini 86

24. Yaya Touré 86

23. Andrea Pirlo 86

22. Iker Casillas 86

21. Gianluigi Buffon 86

20. Edinson Cavani 87

19. Juan Mata 87

18. Mesut Özil 87

17. Gareth Bale 87

16. Thiago Silva 87

15. Nemanja Vidić 87

14. Philipp Lahm 87

13. Wayne Rooney 87

12. David Silva 88

11. Sergio Agüero 88

10. Bastian Schweinsteiger 88

9. Arjen Robben 88

8. Zlatan Ibrahimović 89

7. Xavi 89

6. Robin van Persie 89

5. Andres Iniesta 89

4. Falcao 90

3. Franck Ribéry 90

2. Cristiano Ronaldo 92

1. Lionel Messi 94

 

 

Eure Meinung?

[FlYiNgIcEmAn]

Ronaldo sollte auch 94 haben, meiner Meinung nach.

[paga]

Bundesligaspieler( abgesehen von ribery und robben) viel zu schwach bewertet.. ich meine lahm hat als pace 79, wtf?

[Schnegge]

Vidal müsste nach seiner unglaublich starken Saison 88 bekommen...

[Detoee]

Frage mich halt wie die auf die Wertungen kommen.

 

Casillas immer noch bester Goalie

[Schnegge]

Casillas, Neuer, Buffon und Chech sind für mich auf einem Level!

[Limality]

Frage mich halt wie die auf die Wertungen kommen.

 

Casillas immer noch bester Goalie

 

die Gesamtwertung setzt sich aus den Wertungen für die verschiedenen Stats zusammen...

 

[spoiler=long ass text auf englisch zum berechnen der gesamtwertung]

Here is a guide to how FIFA 13 calculates the OVR rating for a player. Comments, constructive criticism and questions are always welcome. If you need something explaining more clearly, feel free to post on this topic or pm me. That said, I apologise for the sheer amount of text in this guide. I recommend adopting a scroll and scan philosophy. Anyway, let’s start.

 

It’s probably well enough known that a players’ OVR rating is worked out based on his ratings in a handful (not all) of stats categories, and also that some of these categories have greater importance/weight on his OVR calculation than others. These are the stat ‘coefficients’, and they differ depending on his primary position. The coefficients section is the first part of the guide.

 

However, they alone do not necessarily tell the whole story. Last year, I found that with some players in the games’ database, particularly most of the better players, there was something else that affected the OVR slightly. Some players would have an OVR of +1, +2 or +3 higher than their stat coefficients alone would suggest. Earlier this year, I started playing around in the Creation Centre a bit more, and while doing so I found out that this discrepancy is not caused by a player having certain traits or specialties, but by his INTERNATIONAL RECOGNITION rating (mostly abbreviated to IR hereafter). I will attempt to explain the effects of this in the second part of the guide.

 

The third and final part of the guide has no practical use as such, it just shows the offline way and the Creation Centre way of testing what a players’ OVR would be elsewhere on the pitch.

 

 

HOW TO WORK OUT THE OVR (VIA THE COEFFICIENTS)

 

1: Find the values for the 'Scoring' categories for each position. The values are listed below. If something is listed as being ‘worth 0.20’ it means that each increase of 1 to that stat is worth 0.20 towards the OVR. (Having 1 in that stat category is worth 0.20 towards the OVR, 2=0.40, 3=0.60 etc until 99=19.80). Also, any stat categories NOT mentioned for a position don’t have any effect on the OVR for that position; it wouldn’t make any difference to the OVR rating if they were all set to 1 or all set to 99. Gameplay wise there’d be a obvious difference, but the OVR would not show this. This is the primary reason not to rely on just the OVR rating when, say, comparing like for like players (in whatever position) to buy in the Transfer Market. Check ALL individual stats to find a player with the attributes that fit your requirements, not just those that count towards the OVR rating based on coefficients set by the developers, which you may not completely agree with.

 

2: Multiply each value by what the player has for each of those attributes (from 1 to 99). Example: For a * (Striker) - Finishing is worth 0.20, Attack Positioning is worth 0.12. Let's be lazy and say he has 90 for each. He would get 0.20*90 (18.00) from Finishing and 0.12*90 (10.80) from Attack Positioning, giving him a cumulative total of 28.80 so far. Keep using this method for the rest of his 'Scoring' attributes.

 

3: Add the individual scores together to get his Final Total (Minimum 1.00, Maximum 99.00).

 

4: Based on your total, you can find out which OVR range your player falls in. Essentially, it rounds up/down to the nearest OVR.

 

1.00-1.49 = OVR 1

1.50-2.49 = OVR 2

2.50-3.49 = OVR 3

etc etc until

96.50-97.49 = OVR 97

97.50-98.49 = OVR 98

98.50-99.00 = OVR 99

 

POSITIONAL COEFFICIENTS

 

Goalkeeper (GK)

 

GK Diving 0.24

GK Handling 0.22

GK Positioning 0.22

GK Reflex 0.22

Reactions 0.06

GK Kicking 0.04

 

Sweeper (SW) – Although you cannot create a Sweeper in game or in the Creation Centre, by using the Edit Player trick (It’s at the bottom of the guide) I found that a stat coefficient exists for the position.

 

Interceptions 0.20

Standing Tackle 0.14

Marking 0.12

Sliding Tackle 0.12

Heading 0.08

Ball Control 0.07

Short Pass 0.06

Reactions 0.06

Vision 0.06

Long Pass 0.05

Aggression 0.04

 

Centre Backs (LCB/CB/RC

 

Marking 0.15

Standing Tackle 0.15

Sliding Tackle 0.15

Heading 0.10

Strength 0.10

Aggression 0.08

Interceptions 0.08

Short Pass 0.05

Ball Control 0.05

Reactions 0.05

Jumping 0.04

 

Side Backs (LB/R

 

Sliding Tackle 0.13

Standing Tackle 0.12

Interceptions 0.12

Marking 0.10

Stamina 0.08

Reactions 0.08

Crossing 0.07

Heading 0.07

Ball Control 0.07

Short Pass 0.06

Sprint Speed 0.05

Aggression 0.05

 

Wing Backs (LWB/RW

 

Standing Tackle 0.11

Sliding Tackle 0.10

Crossing 0.10

Short Pass 0.10

Ball Control 0.10

Interceptions 0.10

Marking 0.09

Stamina 0.08

Reactions 0.08

Dribbling 0.07

Sprint Speed 0.04

Agility 0.03

 

Defensive Midfielders (LDM/CDM/RDM)

 

Short Pass 0.13

Interceptions 0.13

Long Pass 0.11

Marking 0.10

Standing Tackle 0.10

Ball Control 0.09

Reactions 0.09

Vision 0.08

Stamina 0.06

Strength 0.06

Aggression 0.05

 

Central Midfielders (LCM/CM/RCM)

 

Short Pass 0.15

Long Pass 0.13

Vision 0.12

Ball Control 0.10

Dribbling 0.09

Reactions 0.08

Interceptions 0.08

Attack Positioning 0.08

Standing Tackle 0.06

Stamina 0.06

Long Shots 0.05

 

Side Midfielders (LM/RM)

 

Crossing 0.14

Dribbling 0.14

Short Pass 0.12

Ball Control 0.12

Long Pass 0.08

Vision 0.08

Reactions 0.07

Attack Positioning 0.07

Stamina 0.05

Acceleration 0.05

Sprint Speed 0.05

Agility 0.03

 

Attacking Midfielders (LAM/CAM/RAM)

 

Short Pass 0.16

Vision 0.16

Ball Control 0.13

Attack Positioning 0.12

Dribbling 0.11

Reactions 0.08

Long Shots 0.06

Finishing 0.05

Shot Power 0.05

Acceleration 0.04

Agility 0.04

 

Wingers (LW/RW)

 

Crossing 0.16

Dribbling 0.16

Ball Control 0.13

Short Pass 0.10

Attack Positioning 0.09

Acceleration 0.06

Sprint Speed 0.06

Reactions 0.06

Agility 0.05

Vision 0.05

Finishing 0.04

Long Shots 0.04

 

Centre and Side Forwards (LF/CF/RF).

 

Finishing 0.12

Attack Positioning 0.12

Dribbling 0.11

Ball Control 0.11

Shot Power 0.10

Long Shots 0.10

Reactions 0.10

Short Pass 0.06

Heading 0.05

Vision 0.05

Acceleration 0.04

Sprint Speed 0.04

 

Strikers (LS/*/RS)

 

Finishing 0.20

Attack Positioning 0.12

Heading 0.10

Shot Power 0.10

Reactions 0.10

Dribbling 0.08

Ball Control 0.08

Volleys 0.05

Long Shots 0.05

Acceleration 0.05

Sprint Speed 0.04

Strength 0.03

 

The obvious point of this section of the guide is to see which stats affect which positions and by how much, so that’s a good thing for editors/creators. However, it gives me some rudimentary ideas regarding Player Growth. If you’re developing a player, it may be an idea to occasionally play a player out of position on occasion to concentrate on different important attributes.

If you have a Striker whose Finishing skills are developing nicely but you are not satisfied with his Long Shots, maybe some time as a RF/CF/LF or CAM (a little further back) and bashing some in from long range may help grow him in that area. If his Sprint Speed/Acceleration is not that great, you could occasionally play him on the wings or RM/LM, and put him through his paces there. For a CDM, you could perhaps play him occasionally in CM or even CAM to concentrate more on his Passing/Vision attributes or drop him into CB to shore up his defensive stats. Another idea is if you have a young player (say a C that you want to grow but is your 3rd (or worse) CB based on OVR, but your team is weaker at RB/LB/CDM, you could play your young player there, he’ll probably get more improvements relevant to a RB/LB/CDM than a CB but as some of the coefficients are the same, his OVR as a CB will grow as well. Might be a good option rather than have him stagnating on the bench. He’ll probably surpass those ahead of him after a while, too.

I’m sure you get the general ideas, however it’s up to you how you use your players. But I’d still play most of the matches with him in his correct position, or at least one of his preferred positions. You could try this idea in games against weaker opposition or when a game is already well won, or in general as emergency cover for other players.

 

 

EFFECT OF INTERNATIONAL RECOGNITION

 

I have a table prepared to illustrate this better, but on here it converts to text and bunches up. If someone could tell me how to put a Microsoft Word table, preferably keeping any colour fill I’ve used in it, onto the forum, I’ll credit you with the help and will post the table itself up on here.

 

International Recognition is an in-game mechanism that, while it doesn’t affect a players’ individual stats, can give a boost to their OVR rating (via what I can only describe as ‘skipping’ OVRs) which is over and above what they should have via just the coefficients. All players have an International Recognition rating, from 1* (Unknown) to 5* (Internationally Acclaimed).

 

The International Recognition works like this; assuming that you work out what his OVR via coefficients is first.

 

A player with either 1*IR or 2*IR will not have anything added to his OVR rating via the ‘IR bonus’. If you’re creating, or editing a player who has 1*IR or 2*IR, the OVR displayed will always be the same as his coefficients alone suggests. There are no ‘skipped’ stats.

 

A 3*IR player can have as much as 1 added to his OVR via the ‘IR bonus’. If you’re creating, or editing a player who has 3* IR, and his coefficient OVR (CO hereafter) is between 1 and 49, the displayed OVR (DO hereafter) is the same. If his CO is 50+, then his DO will be 1 higher than what his CO alone suggests. Note that a player cannot have a DO of more than 99, though. The DO of 50 is ‘skipped’.

 

A 4*IR player can have as much as 2 added to his OVR via the ‘IR bonus’. If you are creating, or editing a player who has 4*IR, and his CO is between 1 and 33, the DO is the same. If his CO is between 34 and 66, the DO will be 1 higher. If his CO is 67+, the DO will be 2 higher. Again, a player cannot have more than a 99 DO. The DOs of 34 and 68 are ‘skipped’.

 

A 5*IR player can have as much as 3 added to his OVR via the ‘IR bonus’. If you are creating, or editing a player who has 5*IR, and his CO is between 1 and 24, the DO is the same. If his CO is between 25 and 49, the DO will be 1 higher. If his CO is between 50 and 74, his DO will be 2 higher. If his CO is 75+, his DO will be 3 higher. Again, his DO cannot exceed 99. The DOs 25, 51 and 77 are ‘skipped’.

 

HOW YOU’LL LIKELY ENCOUNTER THE INTERNATIONAL RECOGNITION EFFECT

 

I recommend that if you’re thinking of doing any experiments on the effects of International Recognition to do so in the Creation Centre. It’s on the General Info/Other screen. Try setting the IR to 1* or 2*, then putting his ‘Scoring’ stats up so that you can see the OVR rising incrementally as you go. Then try it with 3*IR, then 4*IR, then 5*IR. (You’ll see that with 1* and 2 IR*, it goes all the way from 1 to 99 as you’d expect. With 3*IR, the 50 OVR is ‘skipped’, with 4*IR both the 34 and 68 OVRs are ‘skipped’, finally with 5*IR the 25, 51 and 77 OVRs are ‘skipped’). Each time a player ‘clears’ a ‘skipped’ stat they become 1 additional OVR above what their coefficients alone would suggest. However, as stated many times already, a player cannot exceed 99 OVR.

 

In Creation Centre; you can view and manipulate the IR yourself to whatever you want it to be. If you’re doing a copy of a player from the game in Creation Centre, ensure the copied players’ IR is the same as the base players’ otherwise the OVR may not match (it WILL NOT match if the base players’ IR is 3 or above and the created players’ IR is different).

 

For real-life players in the database, to find their IR level, I recommend searching for the player by name on http://sofifa.com/en/fifa13/player/search and clicking on him to view his bio. His International Recognition will be one of the attributes displayed. As the majority, if not all of the players in the database affected by an ‘IR bonus’ have at least 78 OVR they are beyond the scope of all the ‘skipped OVRs’ (so get the maximum bonus from it) so the 3*IR players will be 1 up on what their coefficients alone would suggest, the 4*IR players will be 2 up and the 5*IR players will be 3 up.

 

A newly created player in Edit Player will be Unknown (1*IR), as will either type of Virtual Pro. In the case of a newly created player, if you’re copying the stats/position of a player with 3* IR or higher, the new player will have 1* IR and their OVR will not match.

 

Unfortunately, as I have done this guide with merely an editors’ point of view, I don’t know if the effect of IR is interactive or not, for example whether it goes up/down in Career Mode if the player in question is doing well/badly for his Club/National team. He’ll probably retain his starting IR for the rest of his career. Also, for the same reason, I don’t know about scouted/youth players or regens. They’ll likely start at 1*IR (Unknown). Regens might possibly have their previous incarnations IA level – I doubt it but I am honestly not sure.

 

I also tried the Generate Attributes button in the Creation Centre with the ‘skipped out’ OVRs’ of each IR level, for example 77 OVR with 5 IR. This is impossible, so it caused the Creation Centre to freeze and Shockwave to crash. Also, trying to edit players (in-game) of a certain level of IR to their respective ‘skipped’ OVRs will not work either. Take the in-game Messi for example, he has 5*IR. You will never be able to manipulate his stats to get him to 25, 51 or 77 OVR. (Creating a new Messi would be cheating!)

 

As you can see, because the IR can ‘artificially inflate’ a players’ OVR rating, whilst giving no bonus to the individual attributes (thus making him gameplay-wise no better than before) this skews slightly a direct comparison between players of similar OVRs but with some of the players subject to an IR ‘bonus’ and some not. This is the secondary reason to rely more on his individual attributes as opposed to his OVR.

 

 

TESTING WHAT A PLAYERS’ OVR WOULD BE IN ANOTHER POSITION

 

A players' overall is always that for his NATURAL POSITION on the Team Management screen and also in the Transfer Market. If, however, you’re curious as to how a player would fare outside of his natural position, there is a way to check this. If you go into the CUSTOMISE FIFA menu, in EDIT PLAYER you see a players' overall based on the POSITION HE CURRENTLY OCCUPIES IN HIS TEAM (for the first team only - subs and reserves are listed by their natural position.) So, for example if you wanted to test Messi as a GK, put him in goal and check his OVR in Edit Player. It will have changed (but only in Edit Player) to accommodate his new position.

 

You can also test this online, in the Creation Centre. Choose a primary position, then give him a bunch of stats (on the Attributes screen) and check his OVR. Next, go back and change his primary position, then go back to your stats. His individual stats will be the same as you’d left them, but his OVR will have changed to accommodate his new position.

 

Note that the OVR for each position tested takes the players’ IR into account as well. Also note that while testing, if you give a player a bunch of stats and go out and change his IR rating then go back to his stats, it will not update any change in OVR until you move one of the stats up or down. In this case, I just pick a stat, move it up 1 then back down 1 to its previous level.

 

Ok, that’s everything I can think of.

 

 

Ich finde Lahm hätte sicherlich 89 verdient...er ist einfach das biest unter den aussenverteidigern...

 

Arjen 90, frank ist meiner meinung nach auf 94

bearbeitet 6. September 2013 von Limality

[Schnegge]

Falcao ist ja schon super, aber ne 90ig...neeee